Sunday, February 04, 2007

I found this over on Jeremy Del Rio's blog. I agree with Jeremy, one of the most courageous posts you will ever read.

Here is an excerpt from it followed by a link to the entire post. Enjoy!

My hope in writing this is that in some small way, by sharing my story, Christians will begin to engage this issue with a sensitivity that this is a real issue that effects real people very personally. This is true for those who very publicly attack homosexuality as wrong, but lose sight of the fragile and precious people for whom this is a daily reality. It is equally true for those who seek to be cautious about making moralizing judgments or absolute statements, but can add terrible uncertainty for those who are desperate to understand what to believe and what to do.

Homosexuality: A Personal Reflection


Blogger Hannah said...

Wow, I can't believe how honest and open he was. This was an awesome blog.

9:39 AM  
Blogger Carl Kincaid said...

Very good stuff. I must say that I was a little concerned when I read the line about "absolute statements" and "moralizing judgements." But when I read his blog, he did say "I believe that practicing homosexuality is inconsistent with Christianity." Which I, too believe.

Now, that out of the way, I have to say I really liked his post. The thing that pisses me off about my church, and the evangelical church as a whole (even the Ted Haggard-types. And I don't mean closet homosexuals, I mean the kind of guys that want to seem "cool, hip Christians" but still come out so strongly against homosexuals and their "rights.") is the way we single out homosexuality as "Public Enemy #1." We march against it, we damn sure don't want them to have any unique "rights" because we don't want them forcing their "lifestyle" on us. We find all kinds of reasons why it's abhorrent to God. And these are the same guys who lust after the praise and worship singers with the nice legs or the same women who want to get that new BMW SUV because Susie Sunday School or Patti Preacher's Wife (no offense, Keith it was just good alliteration. . .). What pisses me off is the hypocrisy of it all. Homosexuality is most certainly sin. But it's not been ranked as higher than lust, greed, selfishness, and that's not even mentioning the sins of Omission that we're guilty of (not feeding the hungry, not housing the poor, the things that Jesus REALLY cared about).

We're not called to point out everyone's sin. We're called to Glorify God and Enjoy Him Forever. We're called to serve others. It's the Holy Spirit's job to judge. It's our job to go out into all the world with the Gospel. And it's a not about how wrong homosexuality is. It's about how God wants to heal us of the effect of our sins. Of the effects of sin.

3:32 PM  
Blogger Carl Kincaid said...

OK, I was kind of on a tirade there and as I re-read it I forgot a point I started to make. That is about how we want to shut down homosexuals. We had better be darned (see, I've calmed down, I swore two times in the last one, and I'm committed to not doing it again. Today anyway) sure what we're doing. I mean, in a fallen world, if we start telling groups of people they don't have an equal say (I'm talking in the global human theater, I'm not talking whether it's sin or not). As we deprive people of the right to do what they want to do, we open ourselves up to the same possibility. That logical slope is a slippery one. . .

3:38 PM  
Blogger Keith said...


I loved your comment. I too was concerned, until I read his entire post. It brings up an interesting question though after I have read it. Was he born this way? I don't have the answer to that but it is one of the first times I have read about a guy being a Christian, having homosexual feelings and tendencies, but knowing that it is sin and not acting out on them.

Kind of like me. Although drinking is not a sin. I can't drink because of my addictive tendencies, so I choose not to even take a sip of alcohol. Hell, I won't even take Nyquil because it has alcohol in it.

I so agree with you too on the "evangelicals" jumping on the homo bandwagon. Let's throw in the abortion issue too. They're ALL about these two issues while they ignore the other issues you mentioned such as not feeding the poor, housing the homeless etc etc.

I don't claim to have all the answers, because I know I don't have them. But I do believe that Jesus loves the homosexuals just as much as He loves you and I and probably weeps when He sees the church bashing them all the time.

Now..........go get that tattoo you wimp! Be blessed bro'

Your big brother,

4:06 PM  
Blogger I-AM-C-Money said...

This is probably a controversial statement, but I believe that in the "nature vs nurture" debate on where does homosexuality come from that it is "nurture." There have been some attempted scientific studies to see if there is a unique biological or genetic predisposition to homosexual behavior, but none that I have seen have been conclusive. Here's where it gets more controversial, in my experience, most gay people I know have pretty unique pathologies from their early development. And it seems different in men and women. Mostly-again, this is my observation (and I've read some stuff to substantiate it), but an abusive father or abusive relationships with men are a hallmark of most of the lesbians I know. And an absent (or, interestingly, domineering/abusive) father and doting over protective mother are kind of hallmarks for the early development of gay men I have known. Not 100%, and there are lots of other things that go into it, but I believe that it is a conditioned response. I won't go so far as to say it is a "choice," because the psychological conditioning almost excludes the opportunity for "choice." There are also big differences in how homosexuality manifests itself that I have observed. I have known gay men who are all about having as much sex as they can. That kind of makes sense to me in a weird way, because that's what men do. These guys just choose to do it with other men (and that lack of control that men-straight or gay-often exhibit is in play here). Then there are gay men and women who are in committed, monogomous relationships (more women than men in my experience).

That doesn't answer your question necessarily but those are some of my thoughts on the origins of homosexual behavior. I mean, it doesn't make sense that it's genetic. There wouldn't be any homosexuals left if it was, if you know what I'm saying. . .

And, I can decide whether or not to have sex with someone or something. We all can. Without any clear documentation of a biological rationale for sexual preference, it seems to point there. Because, there are people who have sex with animals, there are pedophiles, people who have all kinds of sex that I don't (and some that I probably haven't even thought of. . .). Those people may think that this is their "sexuality." There are people who choose to be celibate who aren't priests. And I'm not equating homosexuality with these other clearly pathological types of sexuality, I'm just saying that different people want to, think about, and do have sex with different, um, er, things. . . Wow, a wierder paragraph I haven't written.

I hope I'm not branded some type of homophobic freak for these opinions. These are just my opinions based on my experience and what little I've read on the subject.

1:59 PM  
Blogger I-AM-C-Money said...

And just to clarify, I don't think celibacy is pathological sexuality, I should have re-arranged that paragraph. I have lots of thoughts and I tend to vomit them when I start typing in blogs. . . !

2:10 PM  
Blogger Keith said...

Wow! Some excellent insight little bro'. I know why you're in the medical field now, you're smarter than me. :-)

Anyhow, thanks for all the info you provided in your comments. I thought it was all very interesting.

I thought the comment you made about the absent or abusive father and the overprotective mother right on. I have observed exactly what you have in the gay people I have known and it makes sense.

I'm heading out to a hockey game this evening, then off to Blythe in the morning.

3:27 PM  
Blogger non_chalant said...

Not gonna lie, thats pretty awesome. I really miss talking to you and Patty about these kind of things. I'm praying for your family.


1:13 PM  

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